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Poster: duckpond74 Date: Oct 4, 2010 12:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: TDIH - Winterland 10-4-70

http://www.archive.org/details/gd70-10-04.sbd.cotsman.4942.sbeok.shnf

The recording that first brought me to these archives. My first 'non-official' live Dead recording - "Grateful Dead Live" 'a Mammary Production' on Mother Records (black plastic with a hole in the middle). I paid $2 for it off the wall one late night early 1970 at Bizarre Bazaar in Old Town, Chicago. That album was 'duplicated' by Trademark Of Quality as "Dreadful Great" on clear yellow vinyl (or was it acetate?) - thus making the TQM a bootleg of a bootleg ... I played this sucker to death - it was soooo different in sound and style than "Live/Dead" - cranked, it jumped out of the speakers with such immediacy. The LP starts with China Cat and goes through Uncle John's Band. The Good Lovin' blew my mind each and every time played - such explosive energy. If you've not heard this yet, check out Good Lovin' starting around 7:44 and hear them burst out of the Drums at 8:44 with reckless abandon - still one of my all-time favorite Dead moments. The first time I played this album, I became so hooked, little did I know there would be no turning back.

For over 35 years I always wondered where this show came from - what city? what date? A friend suggested I check out IA - I felt like a kid in a candy store. It was several months before I finally made the connection, but the destination mattered little, as the journey there was so rewarding. That destination - this show - now only seems like signpost with so many roads to follow. Thanks to all who make this place possible. Now if we can only dispense with the sporadic negativity (I don't mean the good natured jabs and jests) and continue to share the music, the anecdotes and side trips . . .

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 4, 2010 6:11am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - Winterland 10-4-70

I had the exact same experience....that's the last show of all I owned that I fig'd out "when it was" after arriving here.

Here are some more discussions of it:

http://www.archive.org/post/153859/10-4-1970-short-but-oh-so-sweet

http://www.archive.org/post/215896/they-got-it-wrong

This post was modified by William Tell on 2010-10-04 13:11:56

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Poster: duckpond74 Date: Oct 4, 2010 10:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - Winterland 10-4-70

Thanks for the links WT. It's interesting to see from the links and the various reviews how many people here owned - and cherished - that old bootleg. I still occasionally pull out that old vinyl and give it a spin - the Wharfdales love it. Do you ever play your old vinyl copy, or have you gone all digital? Did you own the 2 LP set of the Closing of the Fillmore West? That and the Mammary LP at the time really gave this Midwest boy a sense of what the energy was like at those SF shows.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 6, 2010 3:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - Winterland 10-4-70

Have all LPs and equip to play stored away...haven't played em for yrs; kids did 5-10 yrs ago, and made CDs of many for me, but then found this place!

And yes, 70-71 is well represented: had the double alb from 7-2-71 you speak of, plus the double from 8-6-71, and then this single alb. Those three shows got the most play time by far of all the shows I had on bootlegs. Surprising how few 68-69 shows were available (well, guess not with so few FM broadcasts), but I had no idea the suites were played so much in 68 & 69 til I arrived here!

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Poster: csaw44 Date: Oct 4, 2010 10:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - Winterland 10-4-70

one of my fav tapes of all time no doubt

RIP Janis

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Poster: Arck Date: Oct 4, 2010 7:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - Winterland 10-4-70

Wow...I don't know why but I really don't like this show. I find it sloppy and uninspired. The setlist is great and it should be good - a comfortable environment, a home-town crowd, coming off one of their best runs of the year (or ever) from the Fillmore East...but it just doesn't grab me.

It suffers because of what came just before it. I don't know but I find a lot of the West Coast shows in 1970 are not nearly as good as the East Coast shows. Of course, then there's the Winterland show from April...

It's amusing that, as always, there can be such conflicting opinions about the same thing.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Oct 5, 2010 12:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - Winterland 10-4-70

I think this show is enthusiastic & sloppy, and to me it's just average for the year. It's basically a quick rock & roll set, but missing the big jams that made 1970 distinctive. Phil is loud in our mix (which gives the impression that he was especially turned up that night). I think this show is mainly famous for being one of the first bootlegged Dead shows (back in '71, thanks to the radio broadcast), so it became very familiar to people who had few other shows to listen to.

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Poster: duckpond74 Date: Oct 4, 2010 10:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - Winterland 10-4-70

I've heard it said, that's what makes this crazy ol' world go round

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